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good afternoon welcome everyone
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okay i see most people are online um can you hear me if you can can you please drop a
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note in the chat
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all right um welcome my name is charlotte chadville i'm the regional head of
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operations for cipd in the middle east joining you from dubai and i'll be your host today
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and before we do start the session i'll start with some housekeeping remarks so um this session is being recorded you
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will be able to find a recording on our cipd websites and all social media channels afterwards i know the team is
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quite responsive so very very soon thereafter um
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during the session we'll try to make this as interactive as possible we are focusing on giving you information today
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and hoping to give you a couple of takeaways and trigger some thinking around how you as organizations and
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leaders can respond to the crisis um but we would love to hear your uh your
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thoughts and questions in the chat so please do let us know if the session is being helpful if you have any concern we
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haven't addressed yet um in the chat or the q a box would be checking both during the session and
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we'll be taking questions towards the end this webinar is um one of our rapid
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response um initiatives uh but continuously supports equity members and people professionals we also have set up
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a ukraine crisis hub much like we have done for during the corona crisis you can find it on our website and i believe
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my colleagues will drop it um in the chat box right down below right away you'll find guys and support around
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topics from managing conflict at work to social responsibility mental health and well-being and much more
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for civil members in the uk and in ireland and you also have access to two of our hotlines for legal support call
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our hr inform helpline which is available 24 7. um and of course over the past two years
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with the global events impacting every single one of us and our mental health and well-being and we've set up a
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well-being hotline so cgpd in the uk and ireland can access it um it's provided
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by us to cipd members it's free available 24 7 and 365 days a year
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via the phone or for online consultations if you need somebody to talk to i'm pleased to head out to them
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and again my team will uh our team today will be dropping the details of this helplines in the chat
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so today we're exploring the implications of the ukraine crisis for employers and how people professionals
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and leaders can best support their people through this difficult time just as we were getting into a new
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normal two years into the pandemic the invasion of ukraine has definitely propelled us into a new uncertain scary
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and wearing reality um for the first hand victims of course with over 2.8
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million ukrainians turned refugees overnight um for the people and residents of russia being affected by
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severe economic sessions but not just the tensions between the west and russia
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and the economic sanctions are having a very far-reaching impact on our societies economics leaders in
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workplaces we'll have friends family colleagues and typically affected by the crisis um from
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worrying about direct family members to being overwhelmed by the news um which are which is contributing to worsening
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global mental health crisis that has started with the pandemic as well economically the impact of sanctions
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will bite uk and eu nations with businesses they're already suffering um
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the surging inflation disrupted supply chains that like we are starting to see in the car industry um oil and gas and
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ffb um which could could definitely have an impact on the macro economic um outlook this is very uncertain we will
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not be giving you predictions but we as businesses and organizations can expect
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um a direct impact on our workforces even from strategic planning standpoint
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and having to have to resort to layoffs or certain measures
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today um we'll be taking a focused look on social responsibility vulnerable
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leadership compassion mental health and conflict network all of these issues having great surface for the crisis um
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we're looking specifically at how you employers and leaders can tackle them um we're hoping to again give you
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some thinking um try and try and draw from the lessons the pandemic and previous crisis
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into how we can take them forward um and uh and uh and hopefully hopefully
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support you through this in in a small way um my panelists today are peter ortiz
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our global chief executive at the cipd um who will um talk a little bit about
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responsible business and human leadership um rachel our senior employee relations advisor at
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the cipd will focus on mental health and well-being tony jim jamis ceo of oyster which is a
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global employment platform that manages hr for companies with international employees and we'll be talking about how
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they as an employer are responding to the crisis and giving us a couple of ideas in how we could do it and finally
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louise haycut last but not least with a partner at fragment um and give us uh
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insight from a new immigration standpoint and let each of them talk and share a
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few viewpoints in the hope of again triggering some thoughts and and getting us all to think and reflect on how we
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can best respond um and later on we'll try and get into a discussion picking on some of your live questions so please do
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drop them throughout the chat thank you again for joining us so peter over to you
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thank you thank you so much and uh lovely to have you all again with us on one of these webinars it's
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incredible as charlotte said i mean we responded hard to the pandemic it would hit
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organizations everywhere of course and we have to adapt very rapidly and the hr profession i think became
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very front and center so much the organizational response and ashala said we work hard as the cipd to support you
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and yet here we are again here we've come through one big crisis and we're now into
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another one of a very different nature um and again it's about a lot about our
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people about how we sustain and support them about but across many other aspects of the response which i'll touch on in a
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minute but it is extraordinary isn't it to think about crises and you can think of them in different ways of course they
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represent a real challenge to us and they always do but they also represent points of learning and stimulus for
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change and there's a lot going on around us i've talked for many years about all the big changes that happen in the world of
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work and all the political and economic and social and technological drivers have changed and then the crises come
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along and accelerate so much of that change and indeed if you go back to darwinian evolution it's the same in
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evolution in all forms i mean yeah steady change but then a long time crisis big existential stimulus for
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change so whilst this is hard again in terms of how we have to respond and all the operational tactical things we have
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to think about it's also an opportunity again to learn and the big things that i think as
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charlotte touched on that we're having to respond in this particular crisis range from of course many of you with
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businesses with perhaps operations and employees in russia and in the ukraine and how you sustain
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and support them the big debates for many businesses where you have live operations in russia and what you do do
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you pull shut them down pull away from them but all the legal constraints behind that and even concerns as i've
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talked to many businesses about this of saying well if i shut my operations in russia the russians may just take it
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over um so there are many many of those sorts of issues as well supply chain issues and
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and of course these big geopolitical shifts cause us to rethink many
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assumptions that we've had before and supply chain is a very good example just as much as this movement of labor and
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it's incredible again to think back since the end of the cold war a lot of people then were even talking about you
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know this phrase of the end of history that all of a sudden we've moved into this world of of liberal democracy
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everybody more or less in the same place globalization opening everything up no barriers to movement of goods labor and
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services and yet steadily not just the ukraine crisis that world has
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seemed to be changing you know brexit and and the trump here in america we're also causing us to sort of rethink some
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of the geopolitics and therefore our assumptions about things like supply chains and who we're really dependent on
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and who we can really trust and even the re uh reshoring of operations as a result of
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these things and i know that louis is going to talk about some immigration challenges and indeed what this crisis
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sort of adds to that but we've got other things how do we respond to sanctions and we've uh and
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indeed as we've talked about within the cipd things like cyber security now that has been an issue for a while but oh my
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goodness when you see a crisis kick off and i'm not just saying it's all coming from one place incidentally russia it's
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interesting that cyber hackers are very smart and they pick up on any big news item and they will hide things behind
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those news items by saying click on this here's an update on what's going on in ukraine and then before you know it
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you've exposed your organization so even things like cyber security we're having to think about
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um but of course what we've learned through many of these crisis and there was some great work we did during the course of the pandemic on trust
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is that one of the things that becomes absolutely essential in an organizational response
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is trust we have to learn to trust each other people got to trust leadership we got to be able to trust our employees as
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well and we know through the through the previous question the pandemic the organizations that seem to respond best and fastest
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you could absolutely say yes they had trust embedded in how they were they engaged with their employees they talked
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openly about the things that they knew and the things that they didn't and they engaged as i said their people in that
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overall response because what emerges also so much as part of these crises is
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all this uncertainty and then recognition of leaders that the world of leadership that so often was part of the
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past and indeed i still see too much of it the sort of command and control i'm the leaders i know what's going on so i
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will just tell you that world is long gone and we're never going to create agile and responsive organizations if we
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don't engage with all of our people but i'll tell you a rather amusing anecdote that i heard yesterday from one of my
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directors but one of his members of staff said said to him okay so um so
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what have we done in this situation before you think what do you mean what have we done in this situation i thought
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we haven't been here before um so it's interesting also of course you can get people in your organization are looking
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to us and say well give me all the censors what are all the rules and policies i've got to buy by now and the
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answer is we have to be honest we're going to say we're working it through and we need to engage with you to understand those things as well
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but of course another very critical part of engaging with our people and rachel will talk more about it is absolutely
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understanding their well-being there's no doubt that crisis and uncertainty create a lot of stress
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and we'll deal with that in different ways but it does it creates lots of uncertainty people will worry about everything from the future their
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organization their jobs to you know perhaps they have relations and connections into into the the ukraine
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and into russia what does that mean for me so so well-being comes again very much to the
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fore in in that sense of building connection to our people engaging with them effectively and helping again as i
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said to really engender that idea of trust so these as i said unquestionably
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challenging times it's just remarkable to think as you said charlotte we came out of one big pandemic uh but with big
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crisis around the pandemic we're all sort of learning how to adapt and what we've learned from that and i've been working and actually some really
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exciting things now and then we're faced with this and it feels like i think overall
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when you look at the sort of geopolitics as i said not only is it not the end of um history and we're all in liberal
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democracies again this is setting the clock back in so many ways and and therefore the retrenchment of
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organizations and countries and national uh you know national sort of supply chains the retrenchment back from
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these more globalized models is extraordinary it's happening very very quickly so as i said a lot to think
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about i'm just delighted to uh that we have on the panel today uh james and louise and rachel to share in a bit more
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detail on some of those thoughts and i look forward to uh contributing to some of the further discussion so uh back to
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you rachel sorry back to you charlotte thank you peter so much to unpack and
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this is just a one-hour session so we'll try and stay focused but if there is anything you want us to
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come back to later in this session please do let us know through the chat um
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so you've you've given us you've focused uh peter partly on on the on the
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well-being and mental health impact of this crisis um which has come into sharp focus
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already throughout the pandemic where organizations have admittedly made progress yet so much remains to be done
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um rachel i'd like to to call on you um to give us a couple of thoughts around
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how this crisis is affecting mental health what can organizations do to support employees in general those who
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might just be watching the news and feeling overwhelmed and in particular our russian and and ukrainian employees
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who are directly affected by the crisis and having to perform a job thanks
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charlotte yeah as peter said i i think he's given us a glimpse of the huge
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complex issues for many organizations um they're facing with with the conflict in
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ukraine but as well i think as organizations as peter also said the starting point has to be encouraging
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understanding and considering people's well-being and of course that means uh
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considering ways to support any ukrainian or other eastern european nationals that you might employ or who
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have family over there at the moment um who could be based here or could still
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be working in ukraine or or close by in a neighboring country and also um if we
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uh have people from russia as well um will be affected too and but
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also support for employees from any nationality who feel affected by what's
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happening at the moment because even if people don't have direct ties in terms of nationality family to
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ukraine at the moment on a broader level many of us will be feeling deeply affected by the shocking images that
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we're seeing by the distressing human stories that we're curing and of course
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as peter said the time of this crisis comes on top of two years of the pandemic where many people will already
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be feeling um they're living in an uncertain world this is another overwhelming event to cope with over
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which they have no control and it can feel very destabilizing in terms of our well-being and of course that doesn't
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stop when we go into work or when we switch on our laptop to work from home our feelings go with us
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and the backdrop of this is people's uh mental health and how we're coming
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through the pandemic as it is we've just had some findings back at the cipd from
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research of the uk workforce almost one in five in the workplace describe their
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mental health as poor or very poor at the moment of course not all of those have a diagnosed mental health condition
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our mental health fluctuates but we do need to be mindful that some people will
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be particularly affected uh by the events that we're seeing unfold um on
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our tvs and especially for example if you've got a mental health condition already it can
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be very triggering so without singling out people are being judgmental do try and identify people who might
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might need help it's important to send out those organization-wide messages as well offering the support that you've
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got available be very proactive if you've got an employee assistance program employee networks you know
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opportunities to come together and so on because if we didn't fully appreciate it before the pandemic
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it has taught us how crucial communication is with people during a crisis
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um it's even more important when there are challenging issues and people want to discuss those so we need to
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acknowledge that they're happening provide opportunities for people to share um their thoughts discuss reflect
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and so on it can be very hard to make sense of what's happening on a daily basis at the moment and at the heart of
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that is fostering caring cultures where compassion really prioritizes people's
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well-being compassion isn't fluffy it's about kindness and empathy but it's about action as well so it's about
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thinking about what action you can take as an organization and line managers as well that might be cut on a small level
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offering flexibility and so on but um some people especially if they're directly affected and if they are of
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ukraine or eastern european nationality and so on they could be needing time off at short notice for example to try and
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check on the safety of loved ones and so on to track people down and they could
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need um paid specially for example it really will depend on people's circumstances at the moment um
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but compassionately even bereavement leave as well and think of the different scenarios and the
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different groups of people who might be affected in your workforce um in terms
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of well-being as well we can't overestimate the importance of self-care at the moment we should be
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doing this anyway but i think this crisis highlights that again having that healthy routine and i'd start with the
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news it's on a 24 7 loop the social media as well it can we want to be
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informed but there's a balance because it can feel very overwhelming we knew this during the pandemic as well so do
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encourage people to step away take a break get outside if you can
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and line managers we have to talk about line managers there is so much responsibility on them there has been
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right throughout even before the pandemic um they can be the only link that some
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people have got with the organization in terms of accessing the support that's there they're like a gateway in that
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sense and they also hopefully have that one-to-one relationship where you can um have that more personalized support
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where your manager will say how are you um i've noticed this or i've noticed
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that you know how you're feeling and so on and they of course will be affected as
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well possibly directly or otherwise in terms of their well-being it isn't a sign of weakness
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um to access support so they need to know that the boundaries of their role in terms of support and well-being as
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well i think we've got to talk about inclusion really important at this time
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the pandemic of course had a very unequal impact on different groups and individuals and whenever there's a
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crisis and the same is true now i think what's happening in ukraine we can have
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great potential for unity but also divisiveness and that's especially true as well where
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there's emotions that could be running high understandably when people feel personally um affected by what's
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happening so hr is hr's responsibility managers as well to spot any tension if
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there's any hostility even bullying and harassment
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people could have quite different views based on their own circumstances and nationality in terms of
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what's happening at the moment and of course we've got to remember that this is a war that's led by politicians
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not by people um ordinary people so we do need to foster that tolerance
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acceptance um respect openness sharing or all those things can't you know so
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important then final theme really is i want to talk about the importance of coming together as a community
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and great to see you all here today um as distressing as the events are that
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are unfolding it's important i think to focus on the amazing inspirational examples of
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humanity compassion courage giving that we're also seeing unfolding people are
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going out of their way to help and there's a lot of people in our workplaces in the uk as well and outside
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the uk that also want to help wherever you might be in the world and it's really
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beneficial for organizations to channel that as much as possible apart from the
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real humanitarian need we know that acts of kindness giving have as much impact on ourselves as the
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givers as those on the receiving end so think about the practical ways that people might want to help that could be
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um fundraising giving to some of the emergency charitable appeals that have
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been set up by charities um i know my husband's organization is matching every
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pound that employees raise or donate that's one way and there's also the new
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government scheme launching for applications tomorrow homes for ukraine that's an amazing response to open up
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your family in that way but it's a big commitment it's a minimum six months um commitment
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there'll be an infrastructure of support around that but these are displaced people fleeing from a wall many will be
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traumatized they're going to have um economic needs emotional psychological
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needs as well so the responsibility is significant and what's the role of employer here can you
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support people who want to um be a host is there any flexibility or type of
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leave that you can give back as i end on the role of hr because
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you know you've been at the heart in organizations in responding to the pandemic you've shown leadership as
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peter said in a crisis and the same is called for now when people see chaos and
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suffering on the scale that we're seeing now unfold in ukraine you can feel vulnerable you need leadership you need
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reassurance you need continuity and that's steady influence and cultivating
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the workplace as a community as well is really important as part of that we had a briefing last week uh we have
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them regularly peter spoke um you talked about ukraine and it was a safe place to
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share so opportunities for life for that are really important especially people working from home the peer the power of
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peer support for our well-being is really important and so looking for opportunities like that and we've got
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our own online hr community at the cipd as well and that's an opportunity to come
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together as a profession and there are lots of resources that charlotte has already mentioned and i
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think our colleagues are putting in the chat so i'll stop there thank you
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thank you so much rachel um a lot to unpack here so i'd like to bring in tony
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and peter if uh peter if you're still here and otherwise
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otherwise tony so um we'll get back to mental health and wellbeing in a bit because that's one of
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the aspects that you turning as a ceo highlight and and um and have mentioned
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to me in offline um but i want to pick up on your last point first rachel you're you're talking about you know
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responsible responsible business and the importance of leadership
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and so as we're talking to hr leaders i've got two ceos in the room today
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um in your experience tony what role can leadership play in in
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first of all driving mental health what have you decided to do um and then i'd love to hear your
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thoughts on responsible business that's driven from the top rate and that's tough decisions to make to keep business
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and yet ensure continuity yeah absolutely uh
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like there's a leadership need to be reinvented uh in in the last couple of years have shown us that actually that's
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essential in ensuring and thriving and thriving workplaces
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and so so first is really recognizing as leaders that
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the the mental health and well-being of our employees is is at the center of our
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business uh i call it the i call it the golden triangle of of of growth so not only you
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want to manage growth in the business but also you manage customer satisfaction and your employee well-being and engagement so you add
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that as a variable in the way you run your business uh and and you know concretely you know
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what what what we're doing at oyster is uh we
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you know our goal is to demonstrate that uh distributed work because we are a distributed work platform is better for
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business and better for people and uh and and we we focus on uh um
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uh creating an inclusive environment we uh we are a highly diverse environment
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and and uh and it's and more importantly a safe environment where people can can can be
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themselves and especially coming from 60 countries so we have we have an amazing diversity in
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the business and it's important we create that safety so everybody can feel can feel um
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safe be being here uh and and also you need to measure that so we have uh we have um
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applications in the business that enable us on a daily basis to get a pulse about how people are feeling in the business
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and i can tell you uh since the war started in ukraine we got a dip in that so as as rachel was mentioning this is
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not only about uh like everybody is affected by this right it's not only about uh the people in the region
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obviously it can tell you about our specific response uh to our our employees in in the affected in the
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region uh but but everybody is infected and we've seen it dipped in in in how
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people are feeling across the company in all these 65 countries that we operate in
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thank you and thanks tony um peter what's around uh we're hearing psychological safety
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it's not responsible business um any any less in addition to response any
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lessons things that we've learned from curved in your experience that would be helpful in in this kind of crisis a couple of
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thoughts i mean the first is is visibility of leadership right i mean there's no doubt and i'm sure tony
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experienced the same thing i certainly did is there's the crisis here people are looking to the leader now we don't
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have all the answers and said but they are looking to the leader how are we responding how are we thinking what's on your mind
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um so we need to be visible and the great thing that we learned through the pandemic is i think leaders
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did step up on their way they were much more visible i know i spent more time with the organization talking to the
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organization we were weekly uh communicating with either online calls or video
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updates all these sorts of things so i think that's number one number two i would say as a building on on tony's
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thoughts about principles just be clear on your principles what you believe in and even though times are really hard
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and we're in time and crisis we're going to stick true to those principles so things like engagement with people
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well-being we've already touched on creating these safe cultures because it is very easy in times of crisis the
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leaders say am i going to say that's all very interesting but i've got a real problem to solve here and you get driven down these very operational things and
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and i i mention that point of trust and trust is built from seeing uh leaders being consistent in their behaviors and
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beliefs around principles even though many other things are changing around them
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and yes absolutely and ben so to reinforce what's being said about safe countries safeguard to start from
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top and they start from us as leaders being open ourselves about what we don't
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know what we do know what we're vulnerable about what our concerns about what our worries are and then that gives
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permission to so many others to speak uh as well safely and openly and that's you know of course leadership all the way
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down to the organization let me add something uh to what peter is saying is that what what is that
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human-centric leadership looks like for me and for me it is it is at the minimum is do no harm what
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what i mean by that is like we have so much pain and anxiety in our life outside of
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work we come to to to work and then these get amplified our insecurity get triggered so how as leaders we make sure
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that the work the environment we create for our organization doesn't trigger these insecurities and these fears and
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that's at the minimum this is where we start and that's actually already a huge challenge to be to be to be aware how to
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create an environment that make people not feel additional anxiety and additional pain and stress being at work
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and if we achieve that which is for me it's a huge challenge is this is where we achieve human-centric leadership
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yeah absolutely we've been we've been doing so many of these webinars and so many diverse topics and the one thing
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that keeps coming back is that is that human-centric leadership is that trust it's due it's culture
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it's it lays the foundation to all the behaviors you're talking about those that are um
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recognized and rewarded and those that are found upon that we do not tolerate um i have a question came into the chat
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so um inclusion came back to the top of organizations agenda throughout the
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pandemic with unfortunately minority employees and females and female employees being hit harder
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um we are seeing it yet again in a very different way this price is shedding a
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light on uh inequalities um and i i got somebody in in the chat right now
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talking about how this crisis is disproportently affecting um
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people from an immigration background who are just feeling and at ease
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seeing how they well comparing their experience to the treatment of refugees
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in ukraine um injustice is always is always difficult to tolerate
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inclusion is a constant act what do you say that you can do as organizations to
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maintain this harmony and and i know tony that's that's one thing that is perhaps uh
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closer to your heart as well yeah absolutely charlotte like i'm uh uh
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i was born in lebanon in 1980 i spent the first 10 years of my life in a civil war i got my village got got
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shelling from from syrian tanks for 10 years okay and nobody was there to help me
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escape all right however i have to say that we have to look at this as a positive
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message to the world because uh what we want is that the next refugee crisis and the next war
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the world has learned about this is not okay and and i'm very
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optimistic about uh how the world is going to react in a more human way for the next
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conflict that we're going to have in the future okay that's the message i want to take here uh however
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if you if your organization have employees in in other affected regions where there is a refugee crisis
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you know we talked about the middle east is one of them but it's not only restricted to the middle east you have to be culturally sensitive to
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that and and you have to uh start thinking about how can you create
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a refugee response that is global not necessarily to the
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conflict that is happening now in front of our eyes and to give an example in our case at oyster
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we had few employees in lebanon and we know what's happening in lebanon it's a collapsed country or
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uh there's no no electricity no water no safety uh 20x the evaluation of the currency
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we had to get our employees out of the country and give them a refugee status in cyprus that
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the government was very very happy to help us do that uh so so so you need to think about how
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you can create equality in in your response to to to this refugee crisis
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and i quickly and charlatan absolutely feeling said then and really interested to hear about your own personal
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experience which is something i'm sure you share with the organization as well that's about your sort of authenticity
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um but yeah we touched on a little bit before chad about this idea that okay we
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focus a lot on the refugees you know the ukrainians but we have russian employees as well and and it's not their fault
33:20
that this is happening and we've got to be very clear the inclusion thing means that we respect everybody and and then
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we need to make sure we're not creating a culture in our organization which then starts to discriminate against people
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because they happen to be russian and indeed as we know we've got russian employees ourselves they are deeply
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concerned about that themselves um and we've got to make sure that this is safe safe environments to them as
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well in our organizations absolutely before we get into your
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response to an employer tony because i experienced it to this really how do you take these leadership lessons and
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and translate turn them into actions for employers um i was interested to hear um from you
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rachel uh in terms of back to you rachel in terms of uh in
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terms of the of fostering that inclusion and what peter touched upon right now is
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the risk of conflict right we are seeing conflict at work we are seeing people um on the edge as well with mental
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health crisis um would you have two free things that that people professionals could could focus on um to
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try and and and manage this situation as best as can be and provide external psychological safety and support to life
34:34
managers we've mentioned before yeah it's a really important um area at the moment charlotte and
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i think you know when we talk about psychological safety i think you know we should try and pick that a little bit and i think it's just you know at a sort
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of basic human level it's about creating those working relationships and that culture in an organization where um the
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culture is respectful people are kind they're fair and consistent and yes leaders do play a
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massive role in creating that but it's where managers as well i think have a really
35:08
important role to play so i've mentioned the really important role of line managers already
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but if you think about the situation managers are in and they will have a defining influence on um how safe people
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feel to talk up um share concerns and so on and be really honest about how they feel and so
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on and then their managers are really managing at the moment really potentially quite complex situations in
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their teams um and we talked about um i saw um a a message in the chat from
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somebody who said that calls um to the samaritans have got around 50 percent
35:46
around concern for the situation that's happening there at the moment and really it is line managers who are in the so
35:52
the so-called kind of immediate um front line in terms of of how employees
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are feeling so i think or really for hr top priority should be to um
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communicate guide line managers around what their response to this situation is at the moment and how they can help
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create that inclusive culture thank you rachel well all this
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sounds great and it's great lessons and it's here it's yeah it's so much harder to put into
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action and even harder to do it consistently we've seen a lot of organizations do
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well during crisis men almost forget about the lessons of the crisis and try and go back to business as usual and
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then we're constantly playing this play and pause situation so um tony how
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did you translate this vision um into action can you tell us a little bit about how
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you responded as an organization um you know in a couple of points
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yeah i think uh you know oyster is a special organization because not only we have our own employees in the region but we have the employees of our customers
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and we have a bit less than 100 team members distributed across ukraine and russia
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the war broke and and my message to them is it's time to show more humanity when humanity is tested and and here are a
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number of things that we've been doing uh since then and sharing with the wider hr community
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number one is is of offer emotional support and work flexibility that's important that we remind these
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people that we believe that their safety comes first and that's the most important thing and
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they should put that ahead of work uh secondly is really really helping
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them with relocation to a safe place and help them regain stability so we offered relocation
37:47
support uh help with uh moving to a safe country opening bank account arranging
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accommodation um third is really about uh realizing that
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this is this is this is gonna have a long-term impact uh this is more than just safety think about their friends
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and family they will worry about think about survival guilt ptsd everybody is going to i mean even not in
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the conflict itself we're all seeing these images and we're we're suffering from from some form of ptsd
38:20
and then i want to say about come up with payment strategy ahead of time we we know payments getting it's going to get tricky
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in some of these affected region uh at oyster we we were able to build a
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payment crisis team because we want to we're running a human human critical service which is payroll
38:38
and and offer advanced payments specifically in for people that are trying to move to a new country where they're going to have
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additional expenses in that in that time i want to also add we give employee
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access to therapy not only our ukrainian employees but also all of our employees at oyster
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we have we have a service that we use we put at their disposal therapy support as i mentioned earlier we've seen a drop
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in in mental health uh in our company uh through this tool that we use that we
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measure the sentiment of people on a daily basis uh two two more points i want to say we
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you want to work with managers because uh usually people are not going to come to
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hr or to the ceo first they want to go and talk to their manager so you have to have a briefing on the manager
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on a regular basis to make sure that they are ready to inform and support their teams on the ground
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um and um and fine and finally what we're doing at oyster we are waiving all fees for
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companies to hire ukrainian refugees uh so that we we we enable them to to
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uh to to continue to to have to have uh uh uh professional activity uh after they get
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to safety and and we're also donating uh uh funds to to to the to the local
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humanitarian organizations are you hiring tony because i think
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you'll get a lot of applications uh absolutely i mean we we are getting
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uh 12 000 job applications a month uh for a company that is two years old is
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is is is is like we're off chart on that on that perspective i think that's
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i mean great example of a holistic approach to to caring
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about employees into responsible business i mean you've covered kind of the big four relocation support that's that's
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logistics that's psychological safety payment that's financial safety
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um important to us all and not just in terms of that crisis and
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we've seen other situations where we can get difficult therapy i mean mental health and
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well-being is critical and uh and responsible business beyond
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your employees i i love that one and that's one for perhaps a different discussion but
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being a responsible business is not just about the people that you're managing it may be about the people that you're impacting
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further down the line in your supply chain your your partners your clients
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um so so thank you for sharing that hope that gives practical ideas of how we can
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touch different arrays areas um i uh i
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wanted to to to pick up on a question from um from from the chat that we've received
41:30
um around um around business continuity
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so we're talking about responsible business we're seeing a lot of organizations
41:42
doing that and and rightly so it's also important for employee branding and whatnot but it's having an impact on the
41:48
business right the pulling out of russia for so many organizations is having huge tolerance business
41:53
how do you ensure business continuity we're already seeing questions in the chat um around
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protecting jobs or or thinking of ways in which we can continue paying people or give
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them support in a time where we may not get the raw materials and be able to produce any more and where we may have
42:11
to look for workforce um thoughts on that peter and then we'll pick up an immigration aspect um hugely important
42:22
very challenging and i saw maureen's question um the what i'm seeing most businesses
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doing at the moment around some of these continuity questions is is is taking a sort of short-term time
42:33
frame um because we just don't know how long this is going to go on so the first thing is is um
42:39
trying to protect your employees whether in ukraine or russia and if you're having such business in russia then
42:45
many businesses trying to you know keep some form of payment coming through to the russian employees
42:51
we're all acknowledging it's very very tough and the huge challenges in the russian economy as well because of
42:56
sanctions so so i think responsible employers are trying to say look they're our employees it's not their fault what's going on and if we're going to
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reopen our business at some point in russia we've got to do what we can to look after them so even if they're just
43:08
saying look for the next three months we will sustain payments through to you and then we'll see what happens they're at
43:14
least signaling right from the very beginning that we understand these things we need to look after our employees wherever they are
43:20
um and of course other other effects like if we're having to support movement of
43:25
ukrainian stuff from ukraine to safe places again we'll sustain that perhaps for a period of time and then we'll see
43:31
what emerges so it just speaks again again to this idea of agility and responding to these really important
43:38
principles wherever people are we want to try to protect them and look after them but we know this is a very fast evolving
43:45
situation so we're going to have to keep coming back to these questions in the coming weeks
43:51
absolutely and again back to what you were saying earlier um
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although the situation is entirely new and unknown and unexpected in many ways
44:02
for many of us um a lot of the impact that's being felt isn't new during the pandemic we had
44:09
entire industries not being able to function because we didn't have we didn't have people getting to work we
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weren't able to import so context was different but the impact was similar in the workforce um and so uh
44:23
of course we're not giving answers at the end it's still early into the crisis but do you think peter that some of what we've learned around maintaining risk
44:30
killing upselling our workforces could come in handy right now yeah absolutely as you said we during the
44:36
pandemic we were in somewhat parallel situations of having you know perhaps to
44:42
to let go people um all certainly further than what's different of course is we don't have the financial support
44:47
that we had during the pandemic so many organizations have said saying look we know we could sustain this for three
44:53
months or so and then we're going to have to review where we are um because the governments aren't stepping in to say right well i'm really sorry you've
44:59
had to close down your operations but in russia but here's some furlough payments to see you through um so yes there are
45:06
things we can learn but it's also understanding there's some different different things as well um and i'm sure i'm sure louise will
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have some thoughts on that as she gets into her session absolutely thank you
45:18
all right so the you gave me a great segway tony by covering all different areas that you did so um tony you're
45:25
imagining the location support um that you offered to uh your teams during this
45:30
crisis and not just you're mentioning how you've helped um lebanese employees moving to cyprus how you've partnered
45:36
with governments um if for those employees that have tried to support it sounds easier than it may
45:43
actually be um so um so louise would you give us maybe some
45:48
context around the immigration situation right now what it means for employers and then we'll get um we've got quite a
45:54
few questions around immigration on the topic thank you for being here louise louise is from
45:59
oh thank you so much charlotte and thank you for inviting me to talk today it's been really fascinating um discussion
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and i couldn't agree more about the importance of the visibility of leadership about engaging with your
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people and about thinking in terms of the support that you're offering who it
46:17
is that you are offering it to um what support you you can give is it
46:22
your people is it your people's people and i think we've all learned an awful lot um
46:28
through the the pandemic as we've discussed before and whilst we haven't been here before we can employ some of
46:34
those those strategies uh again and like you say it is very important to understand the context
46:40
of what we we are are dealing with and who we might be talking about the the people that have left ukraine
46:48
have done so um having traveled in a very dangerous situation um men aged 18
46:54
to 60 of course can't leave so those people are predominantly women or they
46:59
are elderly or they are our children and and that may guide us in terms of the the immigration options that we
47:06
might look for for those people so in terms of of breaking down who it
47:12
is that we are talking about who it is that we can offer that practical assistance to it could be the ukrainians
47:19
who are still in the ukraine and what they can do to to get out it could be at ukrainians who have left
47:27
and need an onwards destination to say to somewhere that they can be they can be safe they could establish themselves
47:34
for a period of time and like we said before we don't know how long this is going to go on for but ideally they
47:39
would have options in terms of social welfare they would have options in terms of being able to work if they if they
47:46
wanted to be that for your organization or indeed for for somebody else
47:52
um and then lastly of course finishing off on on russians and we've said before rachel put it very very well that this
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is a a situation caused by a russian regime not by russian individuals and
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and equally they do need um our our support uh in this in this scenario
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um if i i could also just make one other point of course is that covert hasn't gone away
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and particularly for russian nationals we do need to remember that there may be requirements for them as they try and
48:22
enter other countries particularly as the sputnik vaccine isn't recognized by very many countries so just an extra
48:29
angle to think about if you are looking at offering the the relocation support that tony was was discussing
48:37
now we'll talk first about ukrainians in ukraine clearly the the most uh compelling they can only now travel by
48:44
by land to a neighboring country uh the majority um into poland and then hungary
48:50
slovakia romania maldives moldova of course they will have been through a dangerous and long journey and i'm sure
48:57
that the well-being support that um rachel discussed would would be of a phenomenal uh benefit
49:05
uh to to them now ukrainians can enter the schengen area without a visa they
49:11
can go into those bordering countries now usually they would need a of force of biometric passport actually what
49:17
we're seeing is there's lots of concessions for ukrainian nationals they simply need to be able to prove their
49:22
identity and so for example the um a child that doesn't have a passport could
49:28
produce a birth certificate we're seeing a real will of those nations to ensure
49:33
that they are creating that safe passage for individuals into those those countries
49:40
for those individuals that have left obviously then they need somewhere to go now there's many jurisdictions that are
49:45
offering lots and lots of concessions lots and lots of of humanitarian help um
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but because of geography i'll just focus on on the eu and the the uk
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uh for for today so the european union and has invoked the the temporary protection directive
50:04
now what that does is it deals with the mass arrival of ukrainian nationals um
50:09
and their family members or those that were covered by humanitarian protection and they needed to have been residing in
50:15
the ukraine um before the the 24th of february now when they go into a european uh
50:22
union country they will be able to apply for protection under this directive they
50:28
would get a one-year protection that would run from the 4th
50:33
of march 2022 so everybody's would be finishing on the 4th of march 2023
50:38
and but that is extendable firstly in six month increments and then the european union could extend it by a third a third year
50:46
now with that individuals would be able to work they'd have access to social welfare
50:51
um and each member state is going to implement that on a membership basis so
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we're seeing at the moment lots of countries announcing what that process is going to look like so really for
51:02
those individuals that are fleeing the con this conflict the european union is providing a really good protection for
51:09
them and something that means that they can feel safe and that they can feel protected for a significant period of
51:15
time um now for the uk the arrangements are are slightly um slightly different
51:22
um a ukrainian would need a visa to enter the the uk and there was been a lot of press about whether or not that
51:29
should be removed um there are a number of concessions and new categories that have been uh announced uh firstly if you
51:36
are already in the uk um as a visitor and you're a ukrainian you can switch into any of the the usual um categories
51:44
so you could be a family member you could switch into um work permission for
51:49
example without needing to to go anywhere anywhere else so the usual
51:54
routes are still open as well for ukrainian nationals and you can apply in any country that you you would want to
52:01
you no longer need to have a tb test but you would need english language unless
52:07
you are um applying under the intra company transfer regime but more importantly there are two new
52:14
schemes that are specifically dedicated to this scenario and i think what's interesting with both the eu and the uk
52:21
arrangements is they've been very quick to to get new categories up and running
52:26
to make sure individuals aren't pushed down a a standard normal asylum route
52:31
which is very clogged up already and may not allow individuals to
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access the the same benefits as some of these newer protections which would allow work which would allow access to
52:43
benefits etc so the two schemes that um i i wanted to
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highlight first is the ukraine family scheme now this would mean that anybody who is
52:54
british or holds permanent residence holds a humanitarian protection or holds a status under the eu settlement scheme
53:01
which was the permission that individuals who were european residing pre-brexit would have got
53:08
can bring their ukrainian extended family members so that would include parents include aunties including
53:14
in-laws it would include cousins plus their family members
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to the uk for a three-year period they're able to work they're able to study they're able
53:25
to access benefits now that application can now be processed online provided an individual has a
53:32
biometric passport to date there have been 25 000 applications with
53:38
6100 were issued by 4 pm yesterday um within that there is some discretion
53:44
about the types of family members that could apply the documents that you might need i can see that it must be very
53:51
difficult for people that have fed a conflict to be able to provide birth certificates for siblings or
53:56
grandparents or whoever it might be and so do look at practical solutions to
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solving what that might look like and the second scheme which has already been mentioned is homes for for ukraine
54:09
and we've seen this overwhelming outpouring of people willing to offer accommodation that they have um either
54:16
that they they already and have access to or a room in their home it's for sponsors to offer accommodation
54:23
to ukrainian nationals who are fleeing the conflict and who lived there before the first of january 2022 they need to
54:31
offer that room for a six-month period and again there will be a three-year permission that will be issued to these
54:37
individuals now the scheme hasn't opened yet it doesn't open until tomorrow um but both
54:43
organizations and individuals can sign up to show their interest one of the complications about it is
54:50
that individuals are going to have to match themselves to a ukrainian um national
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um it's going to be in two phases tomorrow that goes live is for individuals who are going to sponsor a
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ukrainian um you may have heard me say with the family scheme it was only for certain
55:07
um statuses within the the uk this would allow for example a skilled worker to
55:14
sponsor their family members to come to the uk phase two and we don't have a a go live
55:21
date for this yet will be for organizations and i'm sure there'll be lots of people in the call that are particularly interested in that and
55:27
perhaps we could have another chat at that point um but yet the scheme will will go live tomorrow for for individuals
55:35
and then lastly just to um touch very briefly on on russians obviously the
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concessions that i just mentioned don't apply to to them um it may be that those individuals wish
55:47
to leave and very quickly as a general rule of thumb um
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individuals would need to apply for a visa outward anywhere in a country where
55:58
they have legal residency or nationality which means practically for most people
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they need to apply for a visa from russia there are a few and exceptions to that
56:08
uh for example the the cis countries russians are visa exempt there and they
56:15
may also be work permit exempt i would um you would need to get further advice on on that and but also there are good
56:21
options for example into the uae russians can arrive get a visa on arrival and they
56:27
can switch into different worker statuses if again if work was the particular driver
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and i think you've already mentioned but it's definitely a a point worth reiterating
56:39
that many of you will have russian nationals within your your organization feeling incredibly
56:45
upset about this scenario and i know that rachel um has has spoken already
56:50
about the well-being support there is also an element of practical support as well
56:55
um around the um around the reassurance that as things
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stand um visas if they have one would would be renewed
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um maybe putting them in touch with somebody that can talk to them about that that practical aspect that might
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also be causing a level a level of anxiety
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and charlotte i'll pass back to you because i know that we're nearly at time thank you lewis um we're almost on the
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hour um so um unless anybody who's got questions regarding immigration um let
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us know right away but i think um as we're as we're letting people kind of take in all this information
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um i still have the time of you right now so uh i guess i guess my my perhaps i
57:43
would like to come to each of you and ask you for perhaps final thoughts or what would be your number one
57:49
recommendation for leaders and organizations in responding to this crisis or anything you wish i had asked
57:55
you which i haven't yet i'll start with the attorney oh peter i know you need to leave i start with you peter
58:02
you're on you sorry just very quickly um a really good discussion i think we covered a lot of
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the the issues that i would go back to this point about um being open and visible as leaders in times of crisis
58:14
and really sharing our beliefs and principles with the organization a lot of which we've talked about and i think
58:19
that's something so many of us have said learned through the last pandemic and i think it's just as important that we
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keep that going now thank you peter thank you for joining us
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today um rachel yeah i mean it was really interesting to
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hear louise um set out some of the possibilities for uh people from ukraine to come here and i
58:43
think some employers are already showing um a real interest in recruiting people
58:49
um from ukraine as well and so i think i'd finish on that point just to say
58:55
that that is an opportunity for employers as well at the moment but also to really make sure that if you do
59:02
recruit people into your organization who have fled from um the events there
59:08
that it's important to think about the wider support as well that you can
59:13
um offer for people who are coming essentially as refugees who are now able to work here
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so do think about the wider support that you can offer to people in terms of their needs
59:27
thank you tony uh the last two the events in the last
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two years uh are are are clear we we the universe is
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asking leaders to show more human centric leadership and and this is a time
59:44
to do so it's the time for leaders to change their leadership style and and listen to what the world and the
59:50
employees are asking them so my recommendation to them is this is your opportunity change what leadership is
1:00:00
thank you luis back to you oh thank you i mean i would actually reiterate all of all of the
1:00:06
above but but to engage with people to be able to provide the the well-being and the
1:00:14
practical support uh in in one go and check that those human centric leaders have those
1:00:20
right messages that and that that empathy to be able to to deliver to their populations
1:00:27
thank you lewis tony peter rachel um for being so generous with your insights
1:00:33
and this conversation well hopefully we did we did give you a lot to think about at the very least a lot of them critical
1:00:40
moments for me and a reminder that what we are often talking about human-centric leadership um but it is
1:00:48
not a good to have anymore it's proving to be a must-have it's proving to be
1:00:53
essential to business survival in times and crisis and beyond um so to
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remember that a lot of what we are doing right now can be taken into the future thank you very much everybody for
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