I feel privileged because I work for an organization that really makes a difference. You know we employ seventy nine thousand people. We support twenty two million people in society out of poverty and we support them where they don't have kind of income to support themselves.

I also chair HR capability board which looks at and is accountable for the capability development of HR professionals across the civil service and there's over 2,000 HR professionals.

We work very closely with CIPD in partnership and we've got a great framework now. We've tailored a little bit of that to our own organization, but it's absolutely based on CIPD. We've been able to work in real partnership with them to develop that. What we found has been fantastic, so we've worked with colleagues in CIPD around career pathways, job families and to help support HR professionals develop.

Then, we're doing some great work with them about how we can really utilise some of the products and tools that are within CIPD, to our broader HR community as well. So, it all fits beautifully with our own career framework within the civil service - we were able to really leverage that.

We started from a position of - you know the CRPD is the game in town,  it is a professional body and actually it's just been incredibly fruitful. We are really committing on both sides to sharing the research working together on as I say, career trajectory looking at development interventions. I think it's one of the best decisions I made in the capability space - was to work actively in partnership with CIPD.